[ryszardsh]

Is it just me or has the supply of new HC scenarios dried up completely? I have not seen any new posted since late summer on any site that I can find. Is this just a function of changes in the HC system as being worked thru just now or is HC a dying game? I have both HC and H3 and while -3 is better I have always preferred HC in any of its incarnations for relaxation - cause it is less intense.

Just curious,

RAS

[A6BSTARM]

Matrix Games and AGSI are supposed to be testing in beta right now the "final word" in the Harpoon Classic game engine. So I would hazard that until that new one comes out people are holding off on writing new HC scenarios. On top of that as well H3 the Matrix edition just came out and since then there has been an explosion of H3 scenarios and people playing H3 right now. So give it a while or try and write some yourself and see if you can't get people intrested in writing again.

[TonyE]

I know of at least a few scenarios coming along, some authors aren't waiting for anything but a rainy day or a blizzard to get some scenarios finished.

[Bathyman]

What is the "H3 Matrix" edition? I bought the H3 ANW and that is very dissapointing.

[JClark]

One and the same. H3 ANW is being distributed by Matrix Games.

Boats

[Buddha]

Just to interject a comment here, Boats, this is Buddha. I'm adressing you personally since you have always been the "Go To" guy in this forum, and the best bet to correct me if I'm wrong. I have the original 360 Pacific release of the game, on floppies, which I have to run under DOS Box. I have the original release of Harpoon II, which I also have to run under DOS Box. I also have Harpoon III, which I purchased to complete my collection. All of this of course is in addition to HCCE. which is what I play regularly. While I find the Harpoon III database to be on a par with Janes pubs and any other sources I've accessed, the formation editor alone drives me nuts. HCCE will always be my game of choice.

For what it's worth:

Buddha

[JClark]

You know, one of the worst things to ever happen to Harpoon was when they created the Harpoon2 series. It began the worst kind of pissing contests and mine is bigger than yours arguements. Every damn bit of was stupid, and one of the nastiest arguments you could get back in the IRC days, was to start ranting on on version. Ed, Saul, and I just wouldn't let it happen. Couldn't really. Had people quit the game for years, had people do even stupider. And never once realizing that this is a GAME. A source of entertainment and pleasure. For Harpooners, sometimes of hate and discontent. I "prefer" the Classics version. But Buddha, there ain't no such thing as bad Harpoon, no sir, not at all. And having said that, I'll say this. I'm not going to put up with any rants on one version vs. the other.

Byron

[Buddha]

Man, Boats, I must have relly caught you at a bad moment with that one. You let me have it with both barrells, but I can duck if I have to. I was merely attempting to share my knowledge of the game's history and development. For what it's worth, no files I have will ever be transferred without Don's personal approvel.

Buddies in war and peace:

Buddha

[JClark]

Sorry, Buddha, just that every nasty HC vs H2/H3 argument/screaming match started out exactly like that. That was more of a warning to anyone else that I wasn't interested in going to that place again. You've always been a good shipmate here, and I didn't believe you would do a rant. Now, a whole host of others, oh yes, they would, in a New York second. My warning (and rant) was to them.

Boats

[A6BSTARM]

Budda I can give creadance to the some of the "my toy is better then your toy" stories that have popped up from time to time. This debate has always seem to lead, at least on HULL, to people taking thier ball and going home and then a really big division of the community. To the point that if you talk to the opposite side you are branded a fool and some other not so nice words. There have been times where I just wish I could just find more people that would play the board game verison with me and not have to worry about issues like this.

[MikMyk]

I think a good example of whats broke is what happened in this string. It started with somebody asking about HC scenarios, moved on to H3 development and then ended with community stuff. What on earth does H3 stuff or Community stuff have to do with guys getting some HC scenarios out? Absolutely nothing...

[Buddha]

MikMyk, on Nov 27 2006, 06:55 AM, said:

I think a good example of whats broke is what happened in this string. It started with somebody asking about HC scenarios, moved on to H3 development and then ended with community stuff. What on earth does H3 stuff or Community stuff have to do with guys getting some HC scenarios out? Absolutely nothing...

When I was a kid, we used to play a game where someone would whisper a statement to the first kid in a line, who'd then repeat it to the second, the second to the third, etc. It was astounding how little the end product after 20 or so repeats resembled the original. We may have something similar happening here.

Buddha

[Buddha]

A6BSTARM, on Nov 26 2006, 11:30 PM, said:

Budda I can give creadance to the some of the "my toy is better then your toy" stories that have popped up from time to time. This debate has always seem to lead, at least on HULL, to people taking thier ball and going home and then a really big division of the community. To the point that if you talk to the opposite side you are branded a fool and some other not so nice words. There have been times where I just wish I could just find more people that would play the board game verison with me and not have to worry about issues like this.

I understand completely shipmate. Before this discussion gets out of hand, let me say that I in no way intended to demean Harpoon III. What I was doing is admitting my own shortcomings in fully using all of its features. I admitted as much to Byron in a PM, and now I want to do it here. I value the knowledge of the entire Harpoon community too much to alienate anyone.

No offense intended and apologies for any inadvertently caused.

Buddha

[MikMyk]

Buddha, on Nov 27 2006, 02:43 PM, said:

When I was a kid, we used to play a game where someone would whisper a statement to the first kid in a line, who'd then repeat it to the second, the second to the third, etc. It was astounding how little the end product after 20 or so repeats resembled the original. We may have something similar happening here.

Buddha

Yeah can kind of see that but just don't like the associations made. There is still alot of sour grapes surrounding this and can't really say it was really handled well by anybody...

Neither H3 or anybody associated was responsible for the end of HC development. Its just reaching the end of its lifecycle and frankly you guys are getting a pretty good game once HCCE for matrix is released . So have fun with it, build those scenarios and do your thing. H3 just happens to be up to bat right now guys.. its not replacing HCCE. Besides TNH is replacing both.

BTW..I've worked on both over the last few years so.......

[JClark]

And I'm out of the dev team end of it (retired myself, you could say) so I don't have a dog in this hunt. I'm just here to keep a place open for people to talk about it.

Boats

[TonyE]

ryszardsh, on Nov 19 2006, 07:26 PM, said:

Is it just me or has the supply of new HC scenarios dried up completely? I have not seen any new posted since late summer on any site that I can find.
Just curious,

RAS

I dusted off a new scenario for you to play, a re-do of Second War Between the States. Designed to be played with HCDB but will work with the built-in database as well. US equipment vs US equipment in a brutal battle where stealth will play a role! I just got done taking it for a spin with the current HCDB, playing as Blue and really walloped Red. There is quite a bit of variation on units included, starting locations, etc.

If you want to increase the difficulty greatly, pretend you cannot use JASSM and CALCM but depending upon what the random start gives you, you may need to abandon such artificial restrictions

See EC2003 NACV HC scenario section at HarpGamer
HC Scenarios, EC2003 NACV

[MikMyk]

TonyE, on Nov 28 2006, 01:00 AM, said:

I dusted off a new scenario for you to play, a re-do of Second War Between the States.
See EC2003 NACV HC scenario section at HarpGamer
HC Scenarios, EC2003 NACV

Good job Tony although I find it hard to believe somebody from Minnesota can make fun of the way anybody talks.I'd take a drawl over that anyday...although where I am now I've got to lose the R's.

[Buddha]

MikMyk, on Nov 28 2006, 10:41 AM, said:

Good job Tony although I find it hard to believe somebody from Minnesota can make fun of the way anybody talks.I'd take a drawl over that anyday...although where I am now I've got to lose the R's.

There are still quite a few scenarios here, if you want to check it out, Bro.
http://www.harpgamer...C_Scenarios.php

I believe you can find any needed DBs for them there as well.

Buddha

[MikMyk]

Buddha, on Nov 28 2006, 02:38 PM, said:

There are still quite a few scenarios here, if you want to check it out, Bro.
http://www.harpgamer...C_Scenarios.php

I believe you can find any needed DBs for them there as well.

Buddha

Played through most of these already. Always a big fan of Mark G's work! My favorites of all time are Byron's Kola and Reconnaisance (sp) off the original disk. Be nice to see some new one's soon though.

[JClark]

MikMyk, on Nov 28 2006, 04:16 PM, said:

Played through most of these already. Always a big fan of Mark G's work! My favorites of all time are Byron's Kola and Reconnaisance (sp) off the original disk. Be nice to see some new one's soon though.

Recon is my favorite also. A serious exercise in patience. Would be nice if someone would re-do that one with an updated database to reflect "new" information and changes to the editor. KolaII is better, and Bruce Fenster is the co-author of that one...though I'll admit that no one has ever beaten either of them first time out, and damn few the second time

Boats